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Okay, Elizabeth, welcome to the Abundance Club. How are you? Thank you. Great. Thank you for having me here. We just established, that I'm in Australia and Elizabeth has been out here a few times on different trips. So I love, I love the connection already and you knowing where I'm from.
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And you're in Tennessee. Near Tennessee, which is amazing. Outside of Nashville. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great. I love this. So I'm, I'm so, so delighted that you're here, Elizabeth, because I was mentioning before, I love the conversations that we have on this podcast around money, around wealth sovereignty.
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And I've been really looking forward to this one and hearing your unique perspective. I mentioned I've been listening to your spiritual investor podcast, which is amazing. And I think, you know, it's, it's such an interesting conversation because like, like it or low that every single one of us is in a relationship with money.
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We're interacting with it every day. And yet I think so few of us have really been invited to consciously be curious and examine our relationship to money and be open to new approaches around wealth creation that are more in attunement with this new paradigm of money that we're moving into.
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And I think I've heard money described in so many different ways by people. And one concept that I love of yours and that I've heard you speak about is money neutrality, which I'm excited to explore with you today. So to begin with, I'd love to ask from your own lived experience what you have learned about what money actually is.
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I know it's a big question. And how do you see the connection between our, inner state and the way that money shows up in our lives? Well, I mean, you know, I'm gonna say it's gonna sound probably a little cliche, but we'll, we'll unpack it a little bit.
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But I think everyone here already knows money is energy. It's just that for most people that is a concept and so they're trying to figure it out with their mind. Okay, money is energy. But how does that, how does that occur for someone's life?
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How does someone be the self expression of that as a function of the embodiment of money is energy? Because once it's embod, energy is energy. So everything resides within love, the frequency of love. So then you could say money is love, you could say all types of energy.
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It's all just really how we're going to harness the energy and what is our state of allowing? So we're there is only the state of love. And then we're bringing to it our level of lack. And so our level of allowing is related to that level of lack.
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So when we really look at it that way, then what we can see is that, money isn't really a concept. I mean, money is something in the physical world. It's something that we have given meaning to. But for me, I think since I know that money is energy, then I may, I may as well look at money as a catalyst.
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And that's kind of the way that it works in my life. Like, I'll give you an example. So, the spiritual investor has just been expanding. I mean, it, it's, it's its own independent entity. To be honest with you. I never pay attention to what other people are doing or what the economy's doing or what, what have you, because I live as an investor and there's always an opportunity everywhere.
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The only time you're, you're diminishing your own opportunity is when you start to, see that, you know, you start listening to the rhetoric and seeing that, you know, you get into fear and all that. So money is a catalyst though. So an example in spiritual investor, you know, we've, the team has gotten bigger, the company has continued to grow.
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I just, in the last two weeks, I hired someone new to come in and really take over a lot of the big decision making that I do so that I can go, I'm writing a book and I can go further into the concepts and the connections and the things that I love to do. Right. Therefore, it's a catalyst.
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Now you would say, well, you hire people. We're also hiring, a branding team. So you say, okay, God, you've got all of this. And, and it is, it's like you look at it for your business. You're like, wow, that's, you know, that's quite an investment, right? I don't really look at, I look at whether money's going one way or the other is, it's all a catalyst either way, because those things are just completely opening me up for more.
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In fact, I was just looking at things this morning and I sent my team a message. I'm like, holy shit. I was looking at things the wrong way. Like it's already started, but my acceptance of it has already started. That's the difference. If you're going to go and invest in something and you're waiting on the market to show you that that was a good idea that you, that you, bought that stock, then you're not using money as a catalyst because your agreement isn't there yet.
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How do we begin to do that then internally? Because, you know, I love your approach, Elizabeth, because I feel like you ground a lot of these concepts that can seem quite lofty, like money is energy and. And you spoke about, you know, the embodiment of that.
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So what does that start to look like for people that, maybe don't have the best relationship with money or they are focused around their money and you. And the other thing that you spoke about is shifting into a place of allowance around money, which I feel like contradicts a lot of the narrative that we've been programmed in around controlling and managing money and, you know, gripping onto money.
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And you speak about being a money conduit. So can we elaborate on that a little bit more and how people can start to tap into that within themselves? Yeah, well, I think sometimes it's easier when we sort of take like, a money, concept or example, and then we kind of go outside of money.
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Because the thing is, even the language of money brings up resistance for a lot of people. So if you think about it, like, let's say you get into a new relationship. I don't know, maybe. Maybe this would be good if, you know, even if you had some thoughts on this, you get into a new relationship and maybe it's someone that's like, completely different and new, and you're watching yourself, you're observing yourself.
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How do you open yourself to that relationship? Like, what. What would you say? How do you do that? Because your history wouldn't show you to open yourself to it. Yeah, it's. Yeah, I. When you just said that around the noticing, the watching, the looking, and I can.
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And straight away can feel that energy of repelling in other than opening up that space to allow it in. So can we go more into that? Because that feels like something that we can really relate to. Yeah, sure.
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So some people, if they're, let's say they get into a relationship with someone and they're completely different, some people would start to shut things down, and then other people would go, wow, I really love this about this person. I never even realized that I would like this about someone.
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Or, wow, this person makes me kind of, you know, a. A better human is. Is. Is like adding so much to my life. Right. And so what happens is then we start to feel like this elevation factor, almost like we've stepped onto a magic carpet.
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And then life becomes more sparkly and glowy and and all of that. Right. Well, that's how that state of allowing actually works with money. But people are not in the belief that money actually can do that for them.
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And they're not in the belief for that because they don't want money that close to them. They don't want money to be like right here energetically with them. They want money to be way out here. Because what is money going to mean about them?
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And I'm just speaking in general, like what is it going to mean if suddenly you are all about becoming a millionaire? What is it going to mean to your family? What is it going to mean socially?
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Like there's an identity crisis going on with money with regards to people feeling like they are, are better people are more, or are more conscious if they're poor.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that is your belief that is starting with. So there's really, there's not a lot that you can do. I mean people, that's why people are exhausted and frustrated with money, in my opinion. And there's not a lot you can do with that.
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You're, you're going to continue to live in the world of money being effortless until you're able to bypass that. That's why in the mastermind, spiritual investor mastermind, that's how the whole thing starts. Because I'm like, I love you, but I don't care about your story.
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I don't care about how you grew up. I don't care about all that because you don't hire me to be your best friend. I was like, you tell that, you've told that story 950 times already. So they come in, there is a, there is a complete washed out that happens.
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Like you become a blank slate inside of the mastermind. And it's because it's concentrated. It's like I can work directly. Right. And then we start talking about money because I don't want to talk to that person who wants, has that conditioned story anymore.
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Yeah. How do we get rid of the condition story then? I mean, is there any point there where we need to look at what that story is that we have inherited or that we have been, that we've grown up in that we keep reiterating? Or is it about more of the identity shifting and into okay, who am I becoming now?
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How much do you go into looking at healing that story or releasing or clearing that story or unearthing what that might be for someone before you can move into that identity shift? We stop making it a big deal.
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Yeah. And we just stop believing the story. If we were truly connected with ourselves, which is source, we couldn't actually believe the illusion.
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Yeah. And again, carry on. Yeah, no, you go ahead. That's freedom.
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We hold on to the stories and we buy into the illusion and it keeps us in a certain cage. And what you're welcoming people into this is what my interpretation of it is, is the experience of themselves. The experience of themselves you mentioned, like as source, as love, as divinity, as freedom.
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And yet the, the, the conditioning keeps us separate from that because we believe that we're not already that, that we have to then go and acquire that or achieve that or work towards that. So, I'm loving this allowing and becoming that conduit and shifting out of the old models of, and the old narratives of effort and control and scarcity.
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So can we go a little money neutrality? Because it challenges so many of those old narratives. And what are the biggest shifts that we need to start to embrace, to move towards money neutrality? And, and what does that open up? Like what changes when we do that?
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Well, money neutrality is the greatest opening to money, at least as per the way that I, I see it. And people are in money neutrality with a certain, portion of money in their lives or amount of money.
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I, mean, you know, most people are in money neutrality with, let's say, I say, you know, is it difficult for you to make 200amonth? You'd be like, yeah, that's fine, right, Whatever. You're in neutrality with that. It's not, it's not, it doesn't have this, this charge within you.
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What we're trying to do is find money neutrality with an amount that is beyond the walls of what we decide we've already dec. We deserve. And so how can you find neutrality with something that you haven't even agreed to yet?
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You can't, you can move towards it. You, there are practices that you can do that you can move towards it. Like, you know, any of the stuff that that people do that, that you know, has a greater expansion and a point of allowing, you can also a good, A good hack I think is to, whatever you're doing with money now, you know, stop doing it that way because it's your old identity that's keeping you poor anyways.
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And so like you meet people that are just like crazy about money management, they got to look at it all the time or investing, they've got to look at it all the time. That's Great. There's nothing wrong with that. Do the opposite and, and have yourself do that for a little while.
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I call it breaking the structure and so. Or go, go the other way. You know, the thing is like, I think that, you know, you mentioned like, you know, the old world paradigm versus a new world paradigm. I think it's, we have lost the curiosity about discovering the new version of ourselves.
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That, and that is really how we live in the new world paradigm. Because all of this that you're, that you're saying is really, it's accessible through curiosity, but it's shut down through the process of what we normally do in the older world paradigm, which is we try and fix it.
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How do we begin to become more curious about that? Open that door. Let's go back to the relationship. You get into the relationship and something kind of comes up. Let's say you're at dinner. We'll go more specific.
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You're at dinner and this person says something that you, you didn't really expect them to say. Right. And you're kind of like, wow, okay, so what happens then is you get a little bit more curious. That curiosity is also intrinsically comes with an opening.
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When we become curious, our state of allowing, it's like, you know, it, it, it expands. So how can you apply that to money? What is it that you're shut down to would be the first thing. And then, what could you be curious about?
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And then watch yourself as you go into it. Let's say that, let's say you're shut down to stocks. Are you willing to go out and buy three stocks? Are you willing to sign up for something that will show you how to invest?
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Are you willing to log, into an investing account that's old, that you haven't looked at or something like it? It's really. I, I think that people aren't seeing their own, their own Cause in this, to be honest, and that feels like expansion, what you're doing there is expanding one's capacity or doing something that the old identity wouldn't feel comfortable doing.
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Is that what you're saying with this? Yeah. And I wouldn't even say comfortable because I don't think people are here to feel comfortable. I really don't. I think people are here to feel ecstatic. I think people are here to help and to serve and to connect and to feel one.
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I think this whole thing about being comfortable, I don't know. I, I think, I think that it's like people are so exhausted, maybe they are looking for that word. But I think most people that would be listening to this, they want bliss and they'll trade comfortability for it.
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So I don't, I don't, there's certain words that like I don't even use because I don't want them to apply to me. You know, I love the way it, it always seems like you're speaking to the, the highest aspect of you or the most evolved aspect of you or like, you know, going for the bliss and aesthetic and the joy, which is essentially what I believe is our true nature and our essence.
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And what I'm hearing from you is that you're not even spending time going into the limitation, going into the story. You're talking directly to people's highest self. Exactly. And I really love that.
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It's interesting because we hear a lot of language around. We have to feel safe to allow money in. And how in your eyes then does nervous system safety and capacity around and money neutrality work together?
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Do you feel what, what role do you feel that plays, if any? Well, I think it goes back to like we have to feel safe to allow love into.
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And so since it's all the same thing, we do have to feel safe in order to allow money in. I don't know that people really are willing to go down to, well, what's what, what amount or circumstance or whatever, what I need in order to feel safe.
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And then could I, could I have that as the goal? You know, if someone truly believes that there is a connection between money and safety, then one would be moving towards what's the minimum amount. I mean that's what I did when I retired early.
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So I basically said, well I'm not going to listen to other people is what they think I need because you know, inflation could go to 85% and then, you know, a loaf of bread's $55. So there's not, you can never feel an amount will never make you feel safe because then everything shifts.
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But I knew that there was a way that I could feel at ease with a certain amount that was, that was regularly coming in for investing and that, that would give me a portal. And then when, once I could sort of get into that ease that, that portal, then I was going to expand from there.
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And so I didn't make the amount the goal I made okay. So I wanted to cover my cost of living with my investments when I left, you know, I was a financial trader and when I left that and then I wanted to have my long term retirement, done.
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Okay. So, and just because I had those doesn't mean that that is the financially thing, sound thing that people should do. I think everyone should choose it, but choose something that feels at ease because then you're not working towards something you're just doing, you're just in life, you're just in a journey.
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You know, it really didn't feel like I was doing anything different. And I got there quickly because my energy was so concentrated on those two things that I was like a horse with blinders. I really, I didn't need to see anything else that was going on in the world. And it's, and this is another thing, I also have a fundamental understanding that wealth is not linear, which means I'm okay with it.
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You know, it's, it's going to go up and down and around. And even at the beginning when I started this, like making some big investments in the company right now, oh my God. The, it's astronomical what I can already feel and see happening around me just because I have decided to make those.
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You teach investment like investing as more of a frequency. Rather than a strategy, is that right? So if we look at it from a frequency perspective, what does someone need to tap into within themselves or to be in order to experience more effortless wealth?
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I mean you've mentioned that you, I think you'd said that you don't necessarily look at what's going on. I mean obviously you're very tapped into your energy and the frequency. So how do we support people to shift into that way of, of investing as, as it being a frequency rather than a strategy?
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Well, I mean, you know, you know how you can you can walk into a room and this, I'm saying this to everyone here. You can walk into a room and it is probably pretty instantaneous that you can feel the energy of if not the whole room, at least a few people in the room or something like that.
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Right? You, you've got that and that you could sort of pull that in. You can feel that in your body. And you don't need a lot of answers. Like you don't need someone to come up. You know, you see in the movies you've got like the, the people are at the dinner table and then someone comes up behind them and taps on the shoulder and tells them a secret.
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You don't need that person to come up and tell you all the answers and the names in the background and the story and all of that. Right. Well, you. The same thing with the market. Like people sit on the sidelines because they're like, I need to know this, this, this.
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I just don't know enough. No, join the conversation. Like you're not going to be able to feel your way into investing. And if you want to be an intuitive investor, which in my opinion has always been the most powerful way to invest. Warren Buffet Buffett is one of the, the greatest intuitive investors that we know.
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But now, especially with AI and all the data and everything, you're not going to outthink that. I mean there's no way. So it's becoming more and more that creativity with anything is the leverage point. And so start now applying creativity to money, which will also put you in the new world paradigm with money.
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Because in the new world paradigm you don't get money. You invite money in. And there's a very, very big difference. That's the one of the things that, that I teach is you forget all of that going out in this time versus effort, this, the, the results driven all of that.
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And I think to a certain degree it's not me saying this, I think that people are tired of it anyways. Yeah. Can we talk more about that new paradigm that, that and I guess, I guess the old paradigm that's crumbling as well.
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Like do you believe that we are being invited into a new relationship with money as a, on a collective level? And if so, what are some of the things that we're being invited? Like what's being asked of us? Or what are some of the long held kind of financial truths that are, that are dissolving, that are crumbling now?
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I think we're being invited into a new relationship with ourself and then money is a match to that. I love that. I love that. So you have spoken about love. You could replace love, you could replace money as, as love or as energy.
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Like it's all interchangeable here. And you've spoken about being source energy and allowing money through and being a conduit. Do you personally have practices? Because obviously you're highly attuned to your intuition and your spiritual connection.
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Like how do you tune your instrument? Do you have certain practices that help you to be more developed in that area in that capacity? Yes, so I definitely have practiced. I can move energy around.
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I think a lot of people can move energy around. Well, everyone can. It's just. Are they really like you say, tuning themselves to it? It's not something that I do all the time though. I, you Know, I, I guess I don't want to put the, any type of illusion out there that I'm just consistently here like every day getting up and doing a, practice that's, you know, bringing in energy and the, the yoga practice and all that.
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Do I do that? Yeah, I do. But I also, I'm actually quite an emotional being which makes me who I am, which I do kind of operate a bit on the fringes. And there's been, there's had to be a lot of self acceptance with me, because I am not the one who does the 30 day money challenge type of thing.
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I'm the one who, I follow my creativity. And I have massive openings to opportunities and to money and I call them in and I just love them. I have so much fun.
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And then I move on to the next one and the next one and the next one now because I have gotten more and more attuned to that. So what's happened is there has been a, there's been a collapse of time. So because I have never operated, I won't say never.
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I'm sure I did as a child when I had no choice. But for the most part, when I have sort of been able to design my own life, I haven't operated based on linear time, the, the structure of time. Right. So, what's happened is I, I operate, I switch instead of time, I operate on momentum, which would be my own energy.
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And so it's opportunity, opportunity, opportunity. And then sometimes that opportunity actually, actually equals rest, doing nothing, riding my horse, traveling. Sometimes I'll go off of social and there's not, you know, there's nothing, there's nothing really planned about it.
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I have a team who plans, thank God, or else I probably wouldn't be sitting here if I didn't have some kind of structure like that. But what's happened is because the attunement of energy has gotten, I don't want to say higher, but it's, it's gotten more, it feels closer.
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So now what happens is then there are. So there, there are just multiple, multiple, multiple opportunities all the time. All the time. And then so there's a collapsing effect. So my life feels like, And it, it doesn't feel like it to me. People are really close to me. It feels very fast.
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They're like, wow, being around you. You know, someone said to me the other day, January, just the month of January with you feels like over a year. There's a lot, a lot happening. So my capacity, but I don't, I don't ever feel exhausted or I don't ever feel overwhelmed.
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I don't ever feel behind. But there is a level of awareness that wow, I do have 12 things that I need to do here. But there's nothing, there's nothing to say about it other than that you obviously have a great relationship like spiritual connection and relationship in that you trust like what, what role does that play in if you are taking what some might consider as risks financially?
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And I think that that fear holds so many people back when it comes to wealth creation and money circulation. So you know, how, how do we begin to shift from that kind of conditioned story into more of a trusting relationship with wealth as a natural expression of who we are?
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Because it seems to me like the way that you operate in that way is, is very much, I would say you have a lot of faith and trust that, that you're taking care of, that you're looked after, that everything works out for me. Can you talk about some of those maybe deeper beliefs that you have?
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So I'll explain them from from my. How they occur for me. Because that's. And, and I'll say, I'll preface this with trust, faith, all of that. I think if those words work for people, use them in fact, use whatever words work for you.
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I'm going to give you the words that work for me. But that's just me. So I'm saying for me, trust and faith and all that, it feels like there's a loophole there. It feels like there's intrinsically like a, maybe that won't work. And I don't really operate with maybe that won't work.
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So I operate. I was literally brought onto this earth. I was like this as a child with a high level of certainty. So my standards are extremely high where, where I put my energy and if I put my energy there, I am certain and I don't need trust and I don't need faith and I don't need all of those things and I don't need to do mantras and I don't need to do visualizations and practices.
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I am a walking visualization and mantra with whatever I have chosen to be certain about. Like everything I need is embodied within me when I am certain. And that drives everything in my life. Everything.
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Yeah, I can relate to that so much. I mean, we know even. And I feel like people will do this for small things like you know, when they're wanting to manifest small things like a car Space or something like that. And you have that certainty and you see how that creates magnetism and collapses time and yet it becomes more challenging to do it with things that feel like it's higher stakes for them.
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So I love that you have said that, because I feel like that's certainty is like the top tier, you know, like the top of the pyramid. If you, if you have that there, everything else that extends down from there. Have you always had that? Always. You've always had that.
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And it's never let you down because you've always had that. Like. And I love that you, you are the signal, you are the source, you are the certainty. Yeah. Because, if I'm certain about it, it might not happen the way I, I thought it would or want it to, but it will happen in some roundabout way.
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And it is part of being certain is also being responsible for the fact that it might not look the way I thought it was, but that doesn't cause me to be uncertain.
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Go ahead. What do you have certainty in anything? I put my energy on, I have certainty in anything. Yeah. And that tells me that you know that you're not separate from, from the divine.
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From source energy. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just allowing source energy to go through. If you really believed that it was source energy that you're bringing through, you could not ever be uncertain.
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So for someone whose external reality at the moment doesn't reflect the wealth or the abundance that they want to experience, that maybe they've got a goal or a vision around what allows them to stay anchored in certainty without, let's say, bypassing their lived experience and what might be going on?
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How do we begin to orchestrate internally what we want to see externally if what we're seeing externally is not what we want to see? Own that you are certain about certain things in your life because your money matches the level of certainty that you have. Own that.
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If you've got $2,000 a month coming in, then that's where your level of certainty is. And don't feel bad about it, don't make yourself wrong about it, don't feel like there's something that you need to do or change or fix. Just go breathe into the fact that that is the amount of source energy that you are allowing through.
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And who care why, but that's just where you are right now. Until you own that, you can't actually allow more. And that's the most important thing that people can do. But you have to own it from an Energetic standpoint.
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Because you can never own the circumstances because the circumstances are outside of you and likely involve other people in situations. And that's when the energy goes out here. You have to own the energy of it. That's what people, I don't know, really get. Because quite often we're going out trying to fix the external.
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Yeah. The moment we say oh, that happened because. Or this happens because that's why I, I don't care about someone's story. Because the moment, the moment that you go into story is the moment that you've taken the energy outside of you. Because there, there is no such thing as the past.
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It's. It's in here and it involves things that you feel like are out of your control or that were done to you or about you or whatever. Look, I love that people have that and it's designed that way that we have that because our egos.
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That's a. It's really great that we have our ego and our personality because that's what helps us move around and bounce around and have fun in the world. I am not saying that you need to. To not have your story. I'm just saying if you are really, really wanting to call more wealth in, don't start it by talking about all that you don't have.
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So anchor back into what you know is certain and then from that place look to expand and then how do we then expand our capacity to allow more in. You stay in money neutrality as much as possible with what you are certain about right now.
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And when you talk about money neutrality, you're talking about like money taking the flavor of whatever you believe that it is, whatever you believe your circumstances to be. Like obviously not charging it because you're saying that money is neutral.
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So it's kind of like if the, if the rain comes down on a garden, the weeds are going to grow, but also the flowers are going to grow. Like what. What your relationship is with money or what you are charging money or what you are believing it to be. Are you asking what my.
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You did? I'm sorry. Around money neutrality. Around money Neutrality. When you're speaking about that taking the form of. Yeah, I guess just understanding a little bit more about this neutrality of money. We can understand it conceptually, but can you give another example of what that could look like for someone in, in developing that within themselves?
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So I think what we just said so getting in. So you are certain about where you are now. Like you, you own the fact that you have certainty about if you have $2,000 a month coming in or if you have 500 in your bank account, you're certain of that.
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So money neutrality is a state of being that is going to come in. Once you're certain about something, you can't think your way into money neutrality. You can't practice your way into money neutrality. Money neutrality itself is a state of allowing and so it's what you're not doing.
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How does that also translate into the way that we are showing up in other areas in our life? You know, I know when we, when we go into looking at expanding our capacity for more money or wanting to call more money and then usually life is showing us other areas where we're perhaps not allowing, whether that's in relationships or house.
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I mean do you see those connections across different areas of people life when they're starting to want to work on their money? 100. Yeah. If you are in a relationship right now and you are trying to get someone else to do something so you can be happy, that's a form of control.
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And I guarantee that you are controlling with your money. There isn't. There's an aspect of control that's coming into your money as well. Because you are simply the self expression of who you are. You're the self expression of the being right now. That's why I would like for people to get in certainty with where they are right now.
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Because then you can see. Certainty allows you to see. So you're the self expression over here in this room. It's like walking through a house and you're the self expression over here and you're. It's just that they look different and it. If we're in circumstance which is basically living in the 3D and the Matrix all the time, it looks so different from us that no one can convince us that it's the same.
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It's not until you step outside of it. And that's why I said certainty gets. Get in certainty with your energy. You cannot get into certainty with your circumstances. You're not going to find money neutrality if you don't have the money that you want. I mean you can work all day long and you're never going to find money neutrality on that because you're with desires.
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That's. That's what you're here to do. You're here to desire and to follow your own desires. So it is your responsibility, I feel it is a responsibility to get in resonance with where you are and to allow that it's a settled state.
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It's a calmness, it's a great, that's just, that's where I am right now and let it go. It's interesting, you know, from my experience. I had a business for 15 years that I ran.
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We had multiple location yoga studios. And, and over that time, I mean we, we built and we grew and we grew to a certain level. But I can just remember my, my relationship with money. I, I didn't really think about it much. It always just.
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It came in, it went out. I was circulating it with ease and felt great. Like I didn't focus on it, but it would always grow, it'd always be there and it was just a conduit for it. And then we sold our business a few years ago and all of a sudden we got, and we, we sold it for a good amount of money and we got that money and.
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But all of a sudden I felt the fear come up because I hadn't had an experience of being without that. And I then found myself fear focusing so much more on that money in the bank, you know, and that figure in the bank.
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So our circumstances, you know, we can. And I, and then I had to feel like I needed to look back into what is this relationship that I'm having with money when this, the seemingly like what I saw as the source of it was taken away.
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And I've gone back on a journey of understanding and realizing that, that I'm the source. But it's been a really interesting one that, like really interesting to look at that from coming from being just in flow with it to all of a sudden not like having that seemingly cut off and looking at the bank balance and being concerned of where money's going and where it's coming from and it just feels vastly different.
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Yes it is. It's a different circumstance. And you have energy connected with different circumstances. So if you're earning money in a certain way and then you switch everything, that's a whole new identity. And that identity has its own different, You, you mentioned the word relationship with money.
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You're right that that identity is of. An entrepreneur has a very different relationship than someone who has been taking a regular salary. And a lot of times we don't know how to handle that. Yeah. Or, or mother, you know, you, you, you or father.
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Like if you're, if you're, you know, a parent, then there's a certain relationship with money because many times it means that you have to give up time with your child or you can't be a Conscious parent or you can't, you can't do all these things because then you'd be about money. You know, the irony is that it's allowing in wealth.
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You're really not about money, you're more about love.
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I love that. I love that. I think that, that, I think that that changes it up for so many people who are triggered by the word money or who have, don't feel like they've got a great relationship with money. When we interchange it for love, it just feels like something that we can relate to so much more.
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So I really love that. I found that that can be really beneficial. There's often talk about jumping timelines in manifestation spaces. And from your perspective, I've heard you speak about this as well. How do those shifts relate to money neutrality or what somebody need to embody to move through, I guess a shifting of timeline or a jumping of timeline with stability.
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Can you speak a little bit more about your, your view on that? Well, I think for jumping timelines, I think that you're, you're pulling down, I mean that we live in a parallel, parallel reality and so you're just pulling down an alternate timeline. Now can you create stability within that timeline?
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If you do, then we have this feeling of jumping. That's, that's the way it occurs for me. So when you, you're asking about relating it to money neutrality. Well, money neutrality is a state of being. So you're in a state of being, no matter what timeline you're in, you're just in a state of being.
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Just like you're breathing air, whatever. Wherever you go in the world, you're breathing air. And so there's, there's not a relatability, but there is a, there's a level of Are you choosing that money neutrality is a state of being that you want to be in?
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In other words, are you choosing that you want to live in the new world paradigm? Then that's okay, then you can do that. But you can jump timelines and still be very frenzied, trading time for money, all of that.
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Like you, you can do that. You don't, it's, it's not something that that you need to be like, more conscious of. Yeah, we're doing it all the time, right? We're doing it all the time. It just when it feels better, we notice it.
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Yeah. So for someone that is wanting to consciously, consciously jump time later, consciously switch up their early consciously up level, move out of whatever kind of lack story that They've been operating in. And shift that up. What, what's the process that you would suggest for people to start to embody that?
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Well, they, they have to be okay. Giving up the old one. That's what keeps people from the jumping timeline. Because I said you, it's the stability. Can you, can you gain stability in the new one? No, you can't. Because most people aren't willing to give up the old one. What they want to do is find this convoluted hybrid way to keep both.
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Yeah. Like one foot on each. You know, I think that's where we stay in that in between. Or we're kind of jumping between jumping between and not fully stabilizing. So it's more about that untethering from what's like from the old identity and from the old stories, which as you said, is hard for a lot of people to give up because it's familiar.
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It is. And this is not anything new. I mean this is why yogis went to capes because it's like, well, that's the easy way. Right. I mean you talk, you're just, you don't give yourself a choice. And they wanted that big jump.
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Yeah. Unfortunately they associated it with money because that was a, that was an, that was a great way to control people, but it really never had anything to do with money. I love this. What do you believe are the, the structures in the old paradigm that still serve us and which ones do you see collapsing?
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Because they're never really built for where we're heading are built for sovereignty. Comparison results and time. Okay, can you speak more about that? Anytime we're in those, we're operating in the old world paradigm.
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And that doesn't. When you say old world paradigm too. This is just also one more concept that we've made up. Right. All it means is that you're in agreement with structures and it, we want to use those structures, but the problem is those structures have used us.
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Yeah. So living in the new world paradigm, if we're using our own, you know, made up language here, would be that source energy is the, is the guidance system.
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And the way I see it is I'm pulling energy down and then I'm going back into the 3D. Right. So I do, I live in the time structure. I mean, you know, I came on this podcast at a certain time, I looked at my calendar. That's fine, I'm living in that.
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But that, that is not. I'm in agreement that I'm coming To this, at this. So therefore it's not using me. And so what happens is when people go, I don't have time to do that. Like, so that word, that phrase over a decade ago was banished from my language.
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You will, you will. That will never, ever come out of my mouth. I don't have time to do something that's one of the biggest lies ever. And that's kind of when we started this, you know, you, you said, how do we do this? And I said, you just do it. Right?
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You just say, I'm not going to say that anymore. And then you'll probably say it 50 more times. But do you want to be responsible for taking. Banishing that from your language? It's going to do a lot for you. Or if you never say, that's too expensive because you're just telling the universe, you know, that's not for me.
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So it has to start at home. Yeah. It's really coming back into our own innate, authentic power, isn't it? And shifting it from feeling like our, our power is externalized. And is that what you're meaning with the results?
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Like, letting go of that, languaging around, focusing on the external results? Yeah, results show themselves to me and they, they are like beautiful, floaty things around me. And it's funny because, someone on my team, they're like, God, you're always kind of like underestimating the numbers.
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And I'm like, I'm not really. I'm just kind of like, I just grab what I think it's going to be. And it's always better because I'm expanding, I'm getting more powerful all the time. And I understand that my energy is a direct match. Every cell of my body knows that energy, my energy is that I put out there is a direct match for money.
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So I don't have to worry about what money's coming to me. I don't have to worry about results. I don't have to worry about, is somebody going to make a decision so that I can make money? No. Universally, I'm a match. So it makes sense that I'm kind of like a little, you know, the numbers show themselves to me and I'm.
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I'm delightfully surprised. I also create that. So I create my own world. That's one of the. I create an invite is. I'm always creating a state where I will be delightfully surprised. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just the reflection. Yeah.
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And it's fun. And it's fun and I love it. And that's the way I create more money. I love that. Such powerful, potent reminders. And I love Elizabeth. Like you can feel it in your energy and the conviction with which you speak that you are that, that the transmit like you are that energetic signal and you know, life is reflecting that back to you.
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And, and even the results that we see, like even the external is the past already. Like it's, it's kind of done. It's a reflection of the state that's that you were. And we're continually building that. So I love that it can just feel the power coming through you.
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It's incredible. With everything that you've lived and learned, what's one truth about money that you'd most want people to take with them? If you could just leave this earth with one thing that you would want people to really understand that's maybe been in the shadows, in the illusion?
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There's so many, I think that,
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I guess this is more of like, instead of what I would want people to understand. This is something that I think would actually be the most helpful to people. Is that if you can, can get to a state of allowing where you can imagine yourself in the most wonderful conversation with someone, which is basically I'm describing like a connection like that oneness, right.
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And you can bring in a conversation about money and that energy doesn't shift, then you've combined it all. If there's anything that you could move towards, and the way that you move towards that is just notice, notice when you're starting to feel different when you talk about money and practice it, but don't don't notice it in a voice it like, do you want, do you want more money?
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Because if you do, then that's the way to practice your way into more money. It's really simple actually. And I guess that's something we can practice too for people when they're, when they would normally get a little bit clingy or grippy or triggered around money, which is often when we've got an unexpected bill or an expected bill or we're going to pay money or transact in that way.
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So inviting that neutrality into that space, just as we would going to, you know, buy a bag of groceries or whatever, like pick up the kids from school or just having that same level of neutrality within that. Is that something that you, you would suggest in those kind of situations where people would naturally, like their nervous system might naturally normally go into fight or flight?
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Yes, absolutely. But remember, you can't you can't think your way into money neutrality. So in that situation, could be noticing what, what is in the space that doesn't allow money neutrality. Yeah, beautiful.
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Is there anything that you want to share to finish off the conversation or certainly share about what, what you've got coming up and what you doing. People. What the way that people can connect with you and your work. Yeah. So the spiritual investor.com is probably the best place.
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We have, have three kind of ways to go through all this. We have like the, the essay club which is the 17. That's really easy. You can get started, you start investing stocks and we have a lot of people from Australia there as well. And then we have advanced which is you know, more of a mid tier.
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If you want to build a portfolio intelligently, design portfolio, learn about intuitive investing, energy of money, a lot of the stuff that we talked about here. And then we run a mastermind. I run it every 12 weeks. And those are, they're, they're powerful, they're always full.
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We just started and we just had our first week and I mean I, I really can't even describe what goes on in there. Sometimes it surprises me. But if you want an I.V. drip, we do again have people from Australia in there.
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Oh actually people are retaking it so much now that the spots fill up very fast because people like we have people that have. They're now doing their fourth round. So there's something about whether it's me or whether it's somebody else.
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There's something about going vertical I call it. And I guess it's because of the certainty like that's, you know, there's something about energetically certain, like with, with certainty getting behind something that you want, but getting behind it not just from the state of being that you're in now.
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Because the state of being that you're in now can't actually get it or else you'd already have it. But keeping, keep laser focused on what you want. Like you know, don't give. A lot of people are looking for permission. Give yourself your own permission for what you want.
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If it's $50 million, then great, and then go. But that's right outside the bound. Doesn't mean it's not accessible. It's just accessible to you as it is anybody. But it's outside the bound.
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So you get certain with where you are now. I'm good with it. There's nothing wrong. I'm in the perfect place right now and I Am going to go beyond the balance. Just like when you put a backpack on and you go see the other countries, you're going beyond the bounds. Do that with your money instead of doing the old way, which is everybody makes 15 goals in January and they don't know how they're going to get there.
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And they get up an hour early in the morning and, like, don't do that. It is such. It is so slow and. And it. I just don't. It's. It's exhausting. I. I really don't want. And people can do what they want to do, but I guess I really want people to see how powerful they are.
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Yeah. It's such an invitation. I mean, you are calling people into their back into their power and into their highest expression. And it's go time for this. Right. We have lived far too long believing that our power is separate from us.
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And I feel like you're really calling people back into that space. And what becomes possible from there is because it's unlimited, as you say. Right? I mean, if it's. If you want 50 million, it's all energy. Right? It's what we're allowing in.
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So I think it's. I love this conversation, and I feel like we've scratched the surface. There's so many things that you touched upon that we could go into deeper. Guys, if you want to listen to Elizabeth Moore, she's got a spiritual investor podcast that you can take some of these concepts and do a little bit of a deeper dive into it, but certainly reach out to her.
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Share this episode. I feel like this is an episode that you can kind of listen to a few times as well, because particularly if this is new for people in how they're relating to money, but also just being in the frequency of your energy and your transmission is really powerful.
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And what that opens up in people, I think is a real gift, because just your energy, in and of itself, calls people home. It's like you go, oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah. I'm powerful. I'm certain. And these are things that we've just forgotten for too long.
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Yeah. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. And, you're right. It is a calling. And I am. I have a high standard. Really, my standard is more to do with the collective than it is me. But I know that I have to be a match to what I want to do in the world.
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So my level of certainty is what allows this to, carry the energy that it needs to carry, because I'm 100, operating under my own goal, which my goal is that I would like to help shift wealth into the hands of those who are conscious, because the people who are listening to this, they're the ones out there changing in the world.
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And if I can help them be wealthy, then my job's done. My job's done. That's my piece in the puzzle. And so my level, my high standard of certainty, it all rolls up to that. Yeah. And when you hold that yourself, you hold that for the people who are in community with you as well.
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I truly believe that, you know, it. It extends down from the top. So I'd imagine that your containers would be particularly potent because you have that level of certainty. And, And I believe even just at what that creates and the opportunities that that creates for the people within it, I think is.
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Is so, so powerful and is such a gift, you know, you can. You can really feel that. So you're right. Thank you for that. Yes. I hold the higher version. I hold only the higher version of the people who come in.
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I hold it until they can see it. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And, we were, we are all. We were all brought here with a certain power, and mine happens to be that and somebody else. I'm not more powerful than anyone.
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There's. There's no such thing. I've just. I'm just closer to what I was brought here to do. And I believe that other people are on this same journey and that's, that's what they're waiting to see. And when you find that, then there's.
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As I said before, there's no, there's. There's no way. You can't be certain. Yeah. Can I just ask you how you knew to move in? Like, what was the point for you? Because you were investor, and then you.
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You've moved into this work. How did you feel. Start to feel that calling? Because I can see you doing what you're doing. Like, you're so where you're meant to be in your power and sharing this and, and being the transmission. And I think it's.
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It's great to share this because I think there's a lot of people that might be feeling the calling for something more and not necessarily leaning into it. So what did that look like for you when you knew that you needed to leave behind what you were doing and shift into this deeper calling? Well, you know, I.
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I went through a process, and a lot of people, I think, think maybe are going through this where I had certain things that I was just kind of naturally good at. But then I was like, well, how would I ever teach this? Or how. Whatever, you know, so I've always been a, a very good intuitive investor. I don't know what it is, but I have, I have a way of picking stocks.
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And I, at the time, though, just did that for myself. And so what I did is I, I had this feeling that I just needed to do it for myself for a while until I could get that point where I could retire early. And then I knew that, that the next step would be shown to me.
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And it was. So I ended up after that, I didn't know that I was going to do this, by the way. And then I ended up at a kid's birthday party and someone was like, you know, it was a friend of a friend, and she was like, will you help me with my money? And I'm like, I don't, I don't do that.
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And she's like, but I don't, I don't want to go to these other financial people that sound, the, the, this. Even the thought of setting something up with a financial person sounds horrible. And I, but I need help. Da, da, da. And so finally by the end of the party, I was like.
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I'd agreed to do, a few in person sessions with her. And this was when I was in San Diego and I drove to her house. And I remember sitting out front, I'm like, God, what am I going to teach this woman? And then by the time I got to the door, I, I knew, I was like, okay, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it my way.
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And I. She opened the door and I said, we're going to start this with a meditation. And she's like, fine. So I went through. That was, that was the beginning. I didn't know it at the time, but that was the beginning of the incorporation of all this. And, she sent me a letter as, like, I don't know, six months later or something.
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And it was, it had photographs in it and she had bought, a log cabin in Big Bear. And the letter that she wrote was just, now my children are going to grow up with the second home and have their photographs, and this is going to be income to pay for their college.
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And, and it's all because of you, Elizabeth. And I was like, okay, thank you, universe. You've just told me what I'm gonna do. Yeah, I just went straight into certainty. And I was like, okay, well. But then I didn't know how to do any of this. And so then, you know, to figure that out and that out and that out.
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So it's. It's kind of like the certainty thing is a little bit like, you're just playing, like, chess or something. You really only certain about your next move. Yeah. You don't have to be certain about, oh, I know what's going to happen when I'm 85. Right. So I'm so certain about the next move.
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And then I get to the next move, and I let whatever I see there, based on my level of awareness, I let that determine, okay, what am I going to be certain about now? And then it's just one move over the other. Till now. I mean, we, you know, I.
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Now I run a big team. And, you know, the Spiritual Investor podcast is. Is huge now. And. And, I'm getting ready to fly to New York in two weeks to be on the biggest podcast. You know, it's just. It's incredible. I'm writing a book. It's incredible what has happened.
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And it's not. It's. It's the energy that's coming through. It's. I'm gonna say it's not me. Yeah. It's just what I'm willing to sort of allow. Yeah. That's why I don't want to say that, because I want everyone to know that it's not you.
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It's just what you're gonna allow. And so what? Choose. What are you choosing? Really? Yeah. And it's just a reminder of our job here is to. To be the receiver of the light. Like, how much. How much of that can we exactly allow in?
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Exactly. If people saw that was the real job, what you just said, everything would change. That's the real job. Because all I really do is manage my energy. Yeah. Yeah. And take care of, of yourself as the vessel to receive it.
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And. And then. And then you're showing the way, you know, and your certainty opens doors, which I think is amazing. You know, when we look back and see that it's. It was one breadcrumb after the next. And I think it's such an important reminder for people when they see someone who's established and who's living their dream and who's created wealth and all that, to realize that it was one half step after the.
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After the other. So. So, yeah. Yeah. And don't connect it to money, because I didn't make any money the first two years I've been running this. Eight years, the first two years if I didn't make any, like, and I was, I was earning tremendous amount of money in the world of finance, and I just had to figure it out, you know, and I, I, but I didn't let that slow me down.
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That was not evidence to me. I still, I was still certain that I was supposed to do this. But so many people need that validation of money, and that's when. That's the moment they give their control away. Yeah. Such a great reminder. And I think it's also looking at abundance too. Right. Whilst you might not have received money, the, the, the abundance that you received through your own growth and learning, if we were to value that as money, I mean, then we would shouldn't be.
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Yeah, yeah. It's like, how are we relating to the abundance? And I look at that for myself even in selling the business, and I can think, well, I haven't earned as much as I was making when I was selling the business. But the personal growth that I've been on and starting this podcast and connecting with amazing people around the world like you is like, far outweighs.
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That. But our minds are just used to computing. Like, unless this dollar amount is coming in, I'm not valuable and I'm not. But progressing and I'm going backwards. Yeah, yeah. So it's just, you know, this abundance is all here.
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It's all around us. So, so beautiful. I could talk to you forever. So I will totally want to value your time. Thank you so much, Elizabeth, for being here. This has been such an illuminating conversation, and may you continue to receive the light that is for you. And for those of you that are listening, may you also continue, continue to open up to this space of allowing more of that which is yours to come through and be the vessel and the conduit for that.
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So it's just been a delight. Thank you so much, Elizabeth. Thank you.
